Friday, December 30, 2050

The Most Important Blogposts in This Blog


This blogpost lists what I (subjectively) believe to be the most important blogposts in this blog. There are three sections. The first section is on the Deity of Christ. The second section is on the Trinity or the Plurality of God. The third section is on the Deity of the Holy Spirit. Each section has links to blogposts where the most important links (as I perceive it) are above, and with the lesser links below. For example, in the section on The Deity of Christ my blog "Identifying Jesus with Yahweh/Jehovah" (which is nearer the top) is much more important than my blogpost "The Spirit of Jesus" (which is near the bottom of the section).

Here's my main Resources in Defense of Trinitarianism

Here's a link to my blogpost where I've collected links to outside blogs where I've commented and interacted with others on the topic of the Trinity: Blog Comments on the Trinity



The Deity of Christ

Of the Distinct Personality, and Deity of the Son by John Gill

Markan Christology

The Jewish Trinity: How the Old Testament Reveals the Christian Godhead by Dr. Michael Heiser

Identifying Jesus with Yahweh/Jehovah

Jesus as Yahweh/Jehovah Resources

 The Angel of the LORD by E.W. Hengstenberg

The Angel of the Lord; or Manifestations of Christ in the Old Testament by W. Pakenham Walsh

"Why Do You Call Me Good?" — Did Jesus Deny Being God in Mark 10:17-18

Jesus' Claim to be the Temple of God Proves His Full Deity

Jesus as God by Murray J. Harris

The Names of Jesus by Elmer L. Towns

 Pre-Existence of Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels

The Requirement to Love Jesus Is Evidence of Jesus' Divinity

The Tempting/Testing of Christ Is Evidence of Christ's Full Deity

The "Cup and Table of the Lord" As Evidence for Christ's Full Deity

Concerning 1 John 5:20 ( from The Trinity: Evidences and Issues)

Romans 9:5 and Christ's Full Deity

Regarding Mark 14:62 and Daniel 7:13; Jesus Coming With the Clouds

Doxologies to Christ

The Wings of Christ Are God's Wings

Jesus the True and Proper SON of God

The Meaning of the Term "Son of Man"

Jesus' "Breaking" the Sabbath as Evidence of His Equality with the Father

Jesus Lord of the Sabbath

John 20:28 And Its Proximity To John 20:30-31 

God in the Midst

Lord [Jesus Christ] Willing? God's Will and Christ's Will

The Reverence for Jesus is the Fear of Jehovah

 Trust in Jesus Is Apparently Trust in Jehovah 

The Spirit of Jesus

The Trinity and the Deity of the Messiah From a Messianic Perspective

Matthew 1:23 and "ho theos"

Concerning the Magnificent and August Names and Titles of the Messiah in the Old Testament by John Gill

Revelation 22:12-13 and the Deity of Christ

Worshipping a Merely Human Jesus Is Wrong No Matter How Exalted

 God, gods and Jesus in John 10:30-39

Jesus' Omniscience

Interactions with Well Known Unitarian and Philosopher Dale Tuggy 

 

The Trinity or Plurality of God

The Doctrine Of The Trinity Stated And Vindicated by John Gill 

Links to John Gill's Chapters on the Trinity in His Work "A Body of Doctrinal Divinity"

The Jewish Trinity: How the Old Testament Reveals the Christian Godhead by Dr. Michael Heiser

Old Testament Passages Implying Plurality in God

Proving That There Is A Plurality In The Godhead

Quotes from "Of A Plurality In The Godhead" by John Gill

Edward Henry Bickersteth's Books In Defense of the Trinity

All Three Persons of the Trinity Mentioned In Scripture (Directly or Indirectly)

Omniscience of the Persons of the Trinity

The Aaronic Blessing Is Highly Suggestive of the Doctrine of the Trinity

Regarding Jewish Professor Dr. Sommer's Comments About the Trinity

Quotations from the Jewish New Testament Commentary by David H. Stern

The Great Mystery; or, How Can Three Be One? [The Trinity in Early Judaism]

Comments and Blog Posts on the Trinity

Do Rocks Dream of Ceramic Sheep? OR Jade Runner

F[L]air-minded Reinvention of the Wheel

The Most Plausible Anti-Trinitarian Complaint

Speculative Arguments In Defense of the Trinity

Miscellaneous Speculative and/or Suggestive Arguments In Defense of the Trinity

Problematic Passages Used In Defense of the Trinity

The Trinity and the Deity of the Messiah From a Messianic Perspective

A Formulation and Defense of the Doctrine of the Trinity by William Lane Craig

The Trinity At the Beginning of Creation

Interactions with Mike Gantt

Part One:  F[L]air-minded Reinvention of the Wheel

Part Two:  Do Rocks Dream of Ceramic Sheep? OR Jade Runner


 

The Deity of the Holy Spirit

The Full Deity of the Holy Spirit

Of the Distinct Personality, and Deity of the Holy Spirit by John Gill

Praying to and Worshipping the Holy Spirit

The Witness of the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit Contradicts the Accidence of Personality

The Holy Spirit in the Old Testament 

The Names of the Holy Spirit by Elmer L. Towns

Do the Father and Son Love the Holy Spirit?

 


 

 Some eye opening articles from the Jews for Jesus website:

Jewishness and the Trinity

The Trinity: Questions and Answers

A Look at the Trinity From a Messianic Jewish Perspective

Kabbalah's Best Kept Secret?

 

 

Saturday, September 2, 2017

Friday, August 18, 2017

How the 10 Commandments Supports the Doctrine of the Trinity

This is an OUTLINE and NOTES for myself regarding a future blogpost. So, my thoughts below aren't fully explained or developed. Only enough is written to remind me of the points I might want to make in the future blogpost. Punctuation and spelling are not even fixed because i typed it up fast to get my thoughts down as quickly as possible. I was brainstorming as well.

The following are Suggestive not "proofs". Dealing with only first 4 of the 10 commandments.
two tables of the law. 1st table of 4 commandments are toward God. there are many contradictory Jewish traditions on the Decalogue. One tradition has 5 commmandments on each tablet. Another tradition is that all ten commandments were on each tablet (duplicates) because they could be "...compared to diplomatic treaties of the ancient Near East, in which a copy was made for each party." [wiki]
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

"A" will deal with Christ
"B" will deal with the Holy Spirit

1st commandment: quote in full either exo 20 or deut 5 version, or both:

 this commandmentt has many parts. One part about how YHVH took the Israelites out of Egypt. Another part about how YHVH took them out of the house of SLAVERY. Another part about having no other gods "before" YHVH. Some interpret "before" to mean "in the presence of [altogether]" or "prior to" in commitment/importance. in light of michael heisler's Divine Council hypothesis i think there's some merit in the 2nd interpretation, though that doesn't necessarily contradict/exclude the first interpretation. Both Christ and the Spirit led the israelites out of Egypt and through the wilderness according to the ot&nt.

A.) Christ: titus 2:13ff and James White's comments about redemption in his book The Forgotten Trinity. White shows how Jesus redeems the church like YHVH did Israel. Thus suggesting Jesus is YHVH..  1 Cor. 10:4 & 9 demonstrates preexistence of christ and his involvement in the exodus and wilderness experience [link to heiser's videos on the Trinity and the Angel of YHVH's involvement during exodus and wilderness.]. Jude 1:5 and textual variant that has "Jesus". cite the NET footnote.


YHVH took the israelites out of the house of SLAVERY. Jesus said whom the Son sets free is free indeed (John 8:36).


Unitarianism violates the 1st commandment regarding worship (of Jesus). Even Dale Tuggy in a sense concedes this fact but says it's not a problem. Cite your interactions with Tuggy as well as his articles where he admits and tries to geet around this. While some Unitarians reject worshipping Jesus, others like Tuggy accept it. While others (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses) have switched positions back and forth regarding the propriety of worshipping Jesus.

cf. my blogpost: Worshipping a Merely Human Jesus Is Wrong No Matter How Exalted



B.) Holy Spirit: Isa. 63:10 might refer to the wilderness rebellion. cf. Ps. 95.
Jesus was lead by the Spirit to be tested. A re-enactment of Israel being lead into the wilderness to be tested. Christ succeed/passed test unlike the israelites. So, the Holy Spirit involved/lead Israel in the OT.
The pillar of cloud and fire by night was the Holy Spirit. cf. NT passage of being baptized by the Holy Spirit and with fire. The fire is negative and refers to judgment. The same Holy Spirit who is the element believers are baptized into in this Age and which sanctifies is the same element that will burn the wicked in judgment the next Age. The same sun that melts wax hardens clay. cite "our God is a consuming fire" heb 12:29. The shekinah presence of God is associated with clouds (cf. when the cloud descended on the wilderness tent and later with solomon's temple) in the OT and NT as well as the Holy Spirit is.
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit alludes to the form and proper respect and worship one ought to have towards the Holy Spirit. Fellowship with the Holy Spirit. Compare and link to your blogposts on Praying to and Worshipping, fellowshipping and not blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Acts 13:2ff
 Praying to and Worshipping the Holy Spirit

YHVH took the israelites out of the house of SLAVERY. The Holy Spirit is associated with freedom and liberty.

"where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom/liberty"- 2 cor. 3:17
By the Holy Spirit Christ (and by extension believers) are able to "proclaim liberty to the captives" (isa. 61:1; luke 4:18).
" For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death."- Rom. 8:2



2nd commandmmment: quote in full

In a sense God the Father was willing to "violate" (so to speak) this commandment regarding Christ and the Holy Spirit. probably because they alone fully represent God and so don't violate the spirit of the commandment. Namely, giving a false impression of what the Father is like. Whereas Jesus said those who have seen Him have "seen" (so to speak) the Father. Moreover the Spirit of truth reveals/discloses the truth of/about God. Those filled with the Holy Spirit become the temples of God (suggesting the Holy Spirit is God).

A.) Jesus as the image of God who reveals God (the Father) in a unique way (Col 1:15, 19 and 2:9; Heb. 1:3 hypostasis). Also incarnation. Christ the visible image of the invisible God. John 14:9. There was a form of Jehovah in Gen., in Judges, in Isa 6.

Another part of the commandment is about not serving or bowing down to other gods.
cites passages where Christ is either worshipped, bowed down (rev. 1:17; 5:8, 14) to or loved in a way that should be reserved only for God (cf. Isa. 45:23; Rom. 11:4; Rev. 19:10; 22:8-9).  cite your blogpost on loving/devotion to Jesus as proof of His divinity. cite phil. 2 that alludes to isa 45:23 and bowing .

Jesus is served in Dan. 7:13-14. There's a textual variant in the LXX that uses a form of latreuo which is a form of service reserved ONLY for divine worship. There are other NT passages about serving Christ (e.g. Col. 3:24; Rom. 14:4, 18; 16:18) or being Christ's slave/bondservant (Rom. 1:1; Gal. 1:10; Col. 4:12; Titus 1:1; James 1:1; Jude 1:1). Though, the word latreuo and its various forms aren't used.
Another part of this commandment is about how God is jealous. Yet in 1 Cor. 10:14-22 we are told not to "provoke the Lord to jealousy". The "Lord" in the passage is almost certainly the Lord JESUS.
For more on this see my blogpost: The "Cup and Table of the Lord" As Evidence for Christ's Full Deity

Another part of this command states, "...but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."

The New Testament refers to the "commandments of the Lord [Jesus]" (John 14:15, 21; 15:10; 2 Pet. 3:2; 1 Cor. 14:37). Suggesting Christ's full divinity in that he can give commandments that seem to be on par with God the Father's.
B.)In one sense the Holy Spirit, like the Father, is invisible (cf. John 3 the wind and Spirit blows but only the effects are visibly seen). Yet in another sense the Holy Spirit is revealed or likened symbolically and emblematically to/as a dove, or pillar of cloud by day and fire by night, waters of baptism (Titus 3:5), annointing oil, seal etc.. Figuratively the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth (Greek word literally has the meaning of something like unhidden "unclosedness", "unconcealedness", "disclosure" ) and light and therefore enlightenment and sight (cf. ps. 36:9; 27:1).

Another part of the commandment is about not serving or bowing down to other gods. Rom. 7:6 says Christians are to serve in the newness of the spirit/Spirit. See my comments below about work and labor for the Lord in the 4th commandment. There I show how the New Testament teaches we are to work/labor (and so by extension serve) the Holy Spirit. Also, how that very service/work/labor is done and performed by the empowering of the Holy Spirit Himself.

Another part of this commandment is about how God is jealous. While the proper translation and interpretation of James 4:5 is uncertain, some translations imply that the Holy Spirit can be jealous for us in a holy way. See for example the NKJV and ASV translation:

Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?- James 4:5 NKJV
Or think ye that the scripture speaketh in vain? Doth the spirit which he made to dwell in us long unto envying?- James 4:5 ASV
Or do you think the scripture means nothing when it says, "The spirit that God caused to live within us has an envious yearning"?- James 4:5 NET
Possibly the scripture referred to is Gen. 6:3 where God refers to His Spirit.

Another part of this command states, "...but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep MY commandments." Regarding the statement in Rom. 7:14 which says that law of God is "spiritual", John Gill states, "the law may be said to be "spiritual", because it comes from the Spirit of God; and reaches to the spirit of man; it requires truth in the inward parts; spiritual service and obedience..." Acts 1:2 refers to how Christ, "had given commands through the Holy Spirit". These commands were given through the Spirit and must be obeyed ("kept") by the Spirit. All this is consistent with the full divinity of the Holy Spirit. Especially since disobedience can grieve/vex the Holy Spirit (Eph. 4:30, Isa. 63:10). As if God's laws were also the Holy Spirit's laws, such that it results in the Spirit striving with sinful men (Gen. 6:3).


3rd commandment: quote in fulll
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A.) The name of Jehovah/Yehovah/YHVH is linked to Jesus. See your blog on Identifying Jesus with Jehovah. This linking of the name YHVH/Yehovah/Jehovah with Jesus and the Holy Spirit would be blasphemous if Christ and the Spirit are not fully divine/God.
Paul talks about the sin of "cursing" Christ or affirming Him Lord 1 Cor. 12/Rom. 10:9-10, 13.
cite phil. 2 which alludes to isa 45:23 and the name of YHVH as applied to Jesus. If Jesus isn't fully God, then YHVH's name is taken in vain.

B.) Link to your Holy Spirit blogpost. 2 Cor. 3:17-18 "the Lord (kurios) is the Spirit.....the Lord who is the Spirit." Twice this passage says the Lord is the Spirit. Kurios was the word used in the LXX to translate the Hebrew YHVH. Suggesting a predication that the Holy Spirit is Jehovah/Yehovah.

Matt. 28:19 the triadic formulation suggests the name YHVH applies and belongs to all three persons. It doesnt' says "nameS" (plural), but "name" singular. The definite article used for all three persons (THE, Father, THE Son, and THE Holy Spirit).

In Semitic cultures one's name is a description of the essence and character of the person. To bless/curse a person was to bless/curse his name and vice versa (i.e. to bless/curse a name was to bless/curse the person). So Blaspheming the Holy Spirit implies a reference for the Holy Spirit and His name. Suggesting a violation of the 3rd commandment.

Ananias and Sapphira are said to have lied to God when they lied to the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4) when they publicly claimed in Christ's congregation that they did X when they hadn't. Such public declaration in church is equivalent to swearing in God's name. By lying to the Holy Spirit, they in effect, took God's name in vain (i.e. used and abused the Name).


4th commandment:quote in full

 Two parts in this commandment. First is to WORK 6 days, and Secondly to REST 1 day.  Ps. 127:1.
Rom. 16:12 "labor in the Lord [Jesus]" . Christians both labored/worked in the Lord Jesus, and rested in Christ as well (cf. 1 Cor. 15:58; 2 Cor. 11:23; 1 cor. 9:1). There are Synoptic parables where laborers work for a boss who is figuratively Christ. Cf. John 4:38.
Isa. 11    Therefore I swore in my wrath, "They shall not enter my rest."

A.) cf. Heb. on rest. Jesus' statement come unto me and I will give you rest. also 2 thess 1:7 grant "rest" or "relief".

This commandment states, "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day." There are many passages that state how Christ and the Holy Spirit were involved in creation and creating. Regarding the Holy Spirit's role in creating/creation there are passages as these Gen. 1:2; Job 33:4; Ps. 33:6; 104:30. Regarding Christ's role in creation there are passages as these John 1:1-3; Heb. 1:2; 1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:16 et cetera.

B.)
Laboring in/for the Holy Spirit (cf. Acts 13:2 where the Holy Spirit calls/sends them for "work".
Isa. 63:14  As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to REST so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name.
"....righteousnsess, PEACE and joy in the Holy Spirit" and how shalom and eiréné includes a cessation of hostilities and rest.
  Working by the power of the Holy Spirit who empowers. "I can do all things through HIM who strengthens me". The Him might refer to Christ or the Holy Spirit. Living/walking in the Spirit cf. galatians and ephesians. Rom. 8 "helps us in our weaknesses". Spirit is our helper and "comforter" (Sproul says from the Latin meaning something like to come alongside with power [cf. the word forte meaning "strength]").
 

Possibly 1 Pet. 4:14; Isa. 11:2; Num. 11:25-26; 2 Cor. 12:9 and "resting". Though, this linguistic connection could be a stretch.



quote, link/recommend your blogpost:

All Three Persons of the Trinity Mentioned In Scripture (Directly or Indirectly)



sample:
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.- 2 Cor. 13:14

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.- 1 Cor. 12:4-6

Theologians have pointed out that the use of the word "SAME" in "...same Spirit...same Lord...same God..." suggests an intertwining equality of being, dignity, glory and activity between the three and therefore suggestive of the doctrine of the Trinity. The three are simultaneously distinguished yet united and equal.

4 There is one body and one Spirit---just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call--- 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.- Eph. 4:4-6
In Eph. 4:6b some theologians find a possible hint referring to the Trinity. It would make sense since Paul just referred to "one Spirit," "one Lord" and "one God." For example, Adam Clarke wrote in his commentary:
Who is above all - Ὁ επι παντων· Who is over all; as the King of kings, and Lord of lords.
And through all - Pervading every thing; being present with every thing; providing for all creatures; and by his energy supporting all things.
And in you all - By the energy of his Spirit, enlightening, quickening, purifying, and comforting; in a word, making your hearts the temples of the Holy Ghost. Some think the mystery of the blessed Trinity is contained in this verse: God is over all, as Father; through all, by the Logos or Word; and in all, by the Holy Spirit.
Jamieson Fausset and Brown Commentary similarly states:
 above — “over all.” The “one God over all” (in His sovereignty and by His grace) is the grand source and crowning apex of unity (Eph_2:19, end).
through all by means of Christ “who filleth all things” (Eph_4:10; Eph_2:20, Eph_2:21), and is “a propitiation” for all men (1Jo_2:2).
in you all — The oldest manuscripts omit “you.” Many of the oldest versions and Fathers and old manuscripts read, “in us all.” Whether the pronoun be read or not, it must be understood (either from the “ye,” Eph_4:4, or from the “us,” Eph_4:7); for other parts of Scripture prove that the Spirit is not “in all” men, but only in believers (Rom_8:9, Rom_8:14). God is “Father” both by generation (as Creator) and regeneration (Eph_2:10; Jam_1:17, Jam_1:18; 1Jo_5:1).

Saturday, May 20, 2017

The Lord said to my Lord by Steve Hays


Here's the link to a great blogpost by Steve Hays on Ps. 110 verses 1 and 5 as it relates to Unitarian polemics. See also my comments at the blogpost's combox.

The Lord said to my Lord by Steve Hays

The url: http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-lord-said-to-my-lord.html









Links to John Gill's Chapters on the Trinity in His Work "A Body of Doctrinal Divinity"


27. Of a Plurality on the Godhead; or, A Trinity of Persons in the Unity of the Divine Essence.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/gill/doctrinal.ii.xxvii.html

28. Of the Personal Relations; or, Relative Properties Which Distinguish the Three Divine Persons in the Deity.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/gill/doctrinal.ii.xxviii.html

29. Of the Distinct Personality, and Deity of the Father.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/gill/doctrinal.ii.xxix.html

30. Of the Distinct Personality, and Deity of the Son.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/gill/doctrinal.ii.xxx.html

31. Of the Distinct Personality, and Deity of the Holy Spirit.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/gill/doctrinal.ii.xxxi.html



See Also John Gill's book "The Doctrine Of The Trinity Stated And Vindicated by John Gill